[Greybeard]

I got my 25 hours today. So did the oil change. Lessons learned:

1) Do not expect to be neat. You can do pretty well draining the oil from the crankcase but when you open the FILTER cap, oil will run down the case and drip off onto the skid plate and then on to the floor. This happens even if you drain the crankcase first. If you have a flat pan, say like a pie pan, you can catch it prior to hitting the skid plate.

2) That crankcase does not take two quarts like the dealer parts guy told me. If you put 2 quarts in you will spend another half hour draining a little bit and checking the dip stick and draining a little bit and checking the dip stick and draining a little bit and checking the dip stick and draining a little bit and checking the dip stick. Always being careful not to drain too much because you do not have any new to put back in. Does this sound a little like the voice of experience speaking?

Finally upon close inspection of the oil filter, I found a few very small metal flakes in it as well as what appeared to be small bits of blue plastic. The oil was reasonably clean.

Everyone have a great day

 

[Scoundrel]

I got my 25 hours today. So did the oil change. Lessons learned:

1) Do not expect to be neat. You can do pretty well draining the oil from the crankcase but when you open the FILTER cap, oil will run down the case and drip off onto the skid plate and then on to the floor. This happens even if you drain the crankcase first. If you have a flat pan, say like a pie pan, you can catch it prior to hitting the skid plate.

2) That crankcase does not take two quarts like the dealer parts guy told me. If you put 2 quarts in you will spend another half hour draining a little bit and checking the dip stick and draining a little bit and checking the dip stick and draining a little bit and checking the dip stick and draining a little bit and checking the dip stick. Always being careful not to drain too much because you do not have any new to put back in. Does this sound a little like the voice of experience speaking?

Finally upon close inspection of the oil filter, I found a few very small metal flakes in it as well as what appeared to be small bits of blue plastic. The oil was reasonably clean.

Everyone have a great day

That sounds like a helluva lot of fun (not).
I would expect some metal flakes and bits of engine sealant in my first oil change.

I only have 8 hours on my ACE. I intend to double that on Saturday.

 

[Hayseed]

Greybeard, I have 24.1 hours and will be changing oil this weekend. I was prepared for the two quart overfill. The owners manual specifies 1.75 quarts. I just went though this yesterday changing the oil in a diesel generator that had an odd number of quarts of oil. I drained and added a couple of times before I got it right. I decided to read the manual this time. Thanks for all the info.

 

[Geerhead]

I'm doing mine Saturday as well. I picked up the oil filter last night at the Polaris dealer. Man is that thing small! (that's what she said) I'm not quite to 25hrs but its been almost two months. Ya know it says 25hrs or one month which ever comes first? Why would I need to change the oil in one month if I didn't use it?

 

[fred]

"Why would I need to change the oil in one month if I didn't use it?"

That's easy Geerhead!..They want to sell you a filter and over priced oil!

 

[Scoundrel]

There is some truth to the idea of changing your oil on a timed basis even if you didn't run the engine much, but it's more based on non-synthetic oil breaking down with exposure to oxygen, and the usual time period they say is six months.
I call bullshit on one month though.

 

[Hayseed]

I hit 25 hours on my Ace today and did the first oil change. What a chore driving the Ace for 25 hours. NOT! I learned from Greybeard's post and measured exactly 1.75 quarts. It filled the Ace precisely to the full mark. I also put a paper plate under the filter and avoided the oil on the skid plate. The pioneers get all the arrows. I washed the filter in gasoline and there were quite a few particles in the oil. I estimate that there were about 75-100 visible metal shavings and about 10 pieces of blue shavings that appeared to be flakes of paint. The blue was flexible so it was either paint or plastic. I filtered the shavings through a blue shop towel so the blue shavings don't show up in the photo below. However, the metal shavings are clearly visible.

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Most of the shavings were between 1/32" and 1/16". However, there were a few that were almost 1/8" long. I am not an expert on engines so I don't know if this is normal or not. I think I will change the oil again at 50 hours just to be safe.

 

[Scoundrel]

I suspect the plastic stuff is RTM or other sealant. There's always a bit of that stuff that comes floating out of a new engine. As long as there are no chunks big enough to clog any of the oil passages, it's all good.

 

[WillB]

Could you guys post a pic of the oil filter location? Make a trough out of a plastic jug, do the oil can be directed to a drain pan.

 

[bmcdjohnson]

Pics would be great, I looked quick and didn't see an external spin on filter like my Sportsman 500 has, so I assume it has an internal filter with a cover you need to unscrew ?? Where is it located, and could you post pics ?? Does the drain plug have the magnet on the inside to catch small metal shavings ??

 

[Scoundrel]

Page 87-89 of the owner's manual.
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[bmcdjohnson]

You need to replace the drain plug washer/sealer every time you change the oil, that's interesting. I hope the dealers will have them on hand along with the filters.

 

[Scoundrel]

Replacing the crush washer every time the oil drain plug is loosened is pretty standard for all vehicles.
That being said, lots of people don't do it. And lots of people drip oil onto the ground slowly.

 

[cumminsdieselgt]

Good afternoon, Scoundrel! Thanks so much for the pages from the service manual. They are most appreciated!

 

[Scoundrel]

You're welcome. But this isn't from the service manual. This is from the owner's manual that comes with the ACE.
I was posting them partly to be helpful, and partly satirically. layful:

 

[uncleford]

Hey guys, is there another source for the oil filter and oil besides the dealer? My local dealer doesn't have any...grrrrrr

 

[Scoundrel]

If you don't have another dealer close by, then you'll have to order it, and that will probably take just as long as the dealer ordering it.
You could switch to a different oil and just change that right now, leaving the filter alone until you can get one in.

 

[70cyclone]

The factory filter is a Fram CH6096. I got them on Amazon for 5.33 each. Other bike shops might have them locally as it is used in Hondas and others.

 

[Scoundrel]

I cannot find a Fram PH 6096 on Amazon, Google or even Fram's own website.
There is a CH 6096 (http://www.amazon.com/FRAM-CH6096-Cartridge-Honda-Motorcycle/dp/B004A0WHTI) which appears to be a motorcycle filter. Is that the one?
Is there a crush washer needed, or an O-ring for the cover?

 

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