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I called my dealer on Friday and asked if they had an ACE.
They did, so I went to have a look - but it was almost closing time, and it was raining outside, so I could not ride it.
The boss-man said I could ride it when it was not raining though.

I went back today, and at first the boss-man was not around, and a different boss-man told me that he doesn't want people to test ride it, because it gets dirty and then people want $2000 off the sticker price.
I changed his mind by showing him a wad of Franklins and telling him if I didn't buy it, I would wash it for him, but that if I felt that it had enough power for me, I WOULD buy it TODAY.
So he moved it outside while I went and got my helmet.

I drove it around on mostly dry pavement, so I can't really say anything about its handling characteristics, but I did something that I guess not many people do on test rides:
I loaded it onto my trailer, and then unloaded it, disconnected the trailer, and loaded it into the back of my truck. With the dealer's permission, of course.

My trailer has a 60" wide deck on it, and the ACE's wheel base is 61.5". So it sits up on the rails a little, which are diagonally out about 8 inches from the deck.
With the ACE loaded, there's a bit more pressure on the rails than I like, but I can see about reinforcing them. Once I do that it should be fine.
My truck is a 2013 GMC Sierra 2500 long bed. The ACE fit in there with the tailgate closed, with room to spare front to back and side to side.

Anyway, so then we got down to business.

The first thing I did was beat him up a little about a recent phone call I had made to the dealership. Here's what happened there:
I called and said I wanted to buy some 26x9x12 Maxxis BigHorns to replace the ones that came stock on my 2010 RZR S.
They looked it up and told me that I was wrong about the size, that the correct size was 27x9x12, and that the price was $259 per tire.
I told him I was sure that the correct size was 26", and he insisted that the computer was telling him it was 27".
I politely bade him good day, and terminated the call.

So we looked it up together. His parts fiche showed an original part number, superceded by a new one.
The original number called for a 26x9x12, and the superceded number called for a 27x9x12.
Obviously Polaris had made a mistake, and it wasn't that guy's fault, but I felt he could have handled it better.
I didn't beat him up too badly, and he didn't exactly apologize. We just came to the conclusion about what had happened together.
I think the conversation set the stage for the rest of the transaction.
He knew I wasn't to be trifled with, and I knew that he was willing to explore things and get to the bottom line.

The next thing I did was build an accessory list, so that he knew the whole deal when we negotiated.
$129.99 - Canvas Roof
$179.99 - Rear Poly Windshield
$99.99 - Sport Windshield
$399.99 - 2500lb Winch
$59.99 - Rear View Mirror
$69.99 - Trail Bag
$939.94 Total

A few words about these items:
Canvas Roof:
I have the Polaris canvas roof on my RZR. It is tough as nails. It stood up to all kinds of abuse - rubbing against tree bark, getting poked and scraped by branches, getting flapped around in the wind, etc.
What finally did some real damage is when I rolled my RZR. And the damage is just a few tattered spots on the 4 corners where it wraps around the roll cage. It is cosmetic damage only, and it is still waterproof after 2 years.

Rear Poly Windshield:
I have the rear flexible plastic one on the RZR, and it's difficult to clean because it flexes. Also, I have poked sticks through it in two places.
I have been impressed with how scratch resistant Polaris's poly front windshield is, and I expect this one to be equivalent.

Sport Windshield:
I did not go with the full poly front windshield because it cannot be opened.
I really appreciate being able to adjust the wind flow in my RZR. It makes a huge difference in how warm/cool I want to be without stopping to change my clothing.
But they do not have this option yet for the ACE, so I bought the cheap small windshield as a windbreak for now.
I will investigate whether I could make the adjustable one fit on the ACE, if I cut it down a little.

2500 LB Winch:
I didn't want to pay the extra $129 for the 3500 LB winch, and I feel that the 2500 will do for my usage.
I can't mount a Warn or Viper on there without buying a mounting bracket. Polaris does not sell just the bracket right now.
An aftermarket bracket I found for $75 is ugly and sticks down too far.
The Polaris bracket looks tough enough and looks more streamlined to fit the lines of the vehicle.
The dealer let me use his computer to look this up, and I decided that my best bet was to buy the Polaris one.

Rear View Mirror and Trail Bag:
I know that these items are overpriced and that I could do better, price wise, to rig something up for this.
But convenience costs money, and I felt it was worth $130 to have these items which are a perfect fit without spending hours trying to rig something up.
The rear storage box is a different story. They want $250 for the lock-n-ride box, and I'd rather pay $35 for a Rubbermaid ActionPacker and bolt it down back there.


Then he drew up the rest of the line items:
$100 - Documentation Fee
$60 - License Fee
$375 - Destination Fee (Freight Charge)
$275 - Machine Setup (Uncrating, bolting crap on there)
$7499 - 2013 Sportsman ACE
$8309 Total

I told him I didn't want to pay the freight, setup, and doc fees.
He was insistent on the setup and doc fees, but he gave up the freight.
I told him that if he wanted to seal this deal, he had to give a little more. I asked for 10% off the accessories, and also asked him to dismount the tires from the RZR wheels I brought along, and mount up the new tires I brought along.
He agreed to these things. That saved me $94 on the accessories, and $36 in tire mounting labor.
The one I bought also had a Poly Roof on it ($199) that they did not charge me extra for.
So effectively, I got a $669 break on the overall price.

The total before sales tax was $8780.19.
The sales tax was $751.83.
The out the door price was $9532.02.

I paid $2340 cash down payment, and financed the rest at 3.99% for 36 months.
I intend to pay it off in 6 months, but I decided against the 6-month 0% interest option, just in case.

Now, I know some people will tell me I paid too much, I didn't beat them down enough, or whatever.
But the bottom line is, it's a brand new model, they have not been hanging onto it for months, it's not last year's model, and it's a small town dealer that has to work hard to make ends meet.
I felt that it was worth a little give on my part to keep the relationship intact, because the next closest dealer is a big throng of slimeballs and idiots.
So I feel that this was a reasonably good deal, for me.
 

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Thanks for the info. What do you think of power? This is really my main concern about it. I will be in mostly atv trails but also fire trails and dirt roads once in awhile. Appreciate feedback. If I buy its for me not my wife or great gran dad.
 

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I feel that it is a little sluggish on the low end, but gains power as it gains speed.
It will probably bog down in high gear on the long hill climbs.
But the low range is a tractor gear. It would probably climb Mt Everest in low gear.
You're not going to win any drag races with it, and you're not going to climb any sand dunes with it.
I weigh about 215 lbs right now. Maybe if I lost 25 or so, it would have more get up and go.
But it's adequate if you're looking for a relaxing cruise, not a speed demon.
 

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Congrats on the ACE! Sounds like you got a pretty good deal to me. Dealers around don't like discounting even a penny. I believe it's also worth something to support a good dealer and at the end of the day everyone needs to feed their family. :)
 

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Thanks for the thorough purchase info! I think you did really good on the deal since this is a new and hot item. Keep us posted about your mods and remember that we always like seeing pictures :cool:
 

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Good news, Bad news. So the dealer sends me a note and says our Ace is finally here (I ordered it two days after it was announced). However, the full price they are giving me is $9,809.04!!! WTF! Now I understand that I may have to pay full MSRP for this new hot machine...I expected that...but to get gouged for an extra $1,006.84...really!

MSRP:
ACE: $7,499.00
Front Brush Guard: $229.99
Rear Brush Guard: $149.99
Windshield: $99.99
Roof: $199.99
Sales Tax: $623.24
Total should be $8,802.20
They want to charge me: $9,809.04

What am I missing here? I know...dealer prep fees, transportation fees, parts install, etc, etc, etc...

How much is everyone else being quoted/paying? Any discounts being offered on parts.
 

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Ask them for an itemized quote or sales order. Here is what mine looks like (below, attached).
They're probably adding freight, setup fee, licensing fee (for the plate/orv tag) and a documentation fee.


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Sometimes I am not sure if the wife really is OK with my buying new toys, or is just holding her temper on it. But this time, she gave me a pretty clear indication that she really is OK with it.

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Good news, Bad news. So the dealer sends me a note and says our Ace is finally here (I ordered it two days after it was announced). However, the full price they are giving me is $9,809.04!!! WTF! Now I understand that I may have to pay full MSRP for this new hot machine...I expected that...but to get gouged for an extra $1,006.84...really!

MSRP:
ACE: $7,499.00
Front Brush Guard: $229.99
Rear Brush Guard: $149.99
Windshield: $99.99
Roof: $199.99
Sales Tax: $623.24
Total should be $8,802.20
They want to charge me: $9,809.04

What am I missing here? I know...dealer prep fees, transportation fees, parts install, etc, etc, etc...

How much is everyone else being quoted/paying? Any discounts being offered on parts.
This is what I paid...I'm pleased.
Ace: $7500
Front Full Windshield, Rear Windshield, Hard Top: $625
4 year Extended Warranty (no deductible): $800

Out the door: $8925
 

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Better news today! The dealer worked with us on the price and we got to within $10 of what Scoundrel got...thanks!

Got it home late last night and my son went for the first ride at 6:30 this morning. I gave it a quick run down the drive and back up...feels solid and strong. Didn't get it over 35 yet...need to get some miles on it.

I think I'm getting ATV Fever...better take a sick day!
 

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Getting itchy for my wheels/tires to arrive!
But this delay is allowing me to get photos of machine parts that are not caked with mud yet.

:) / :p

We need more smileys here.
 

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4x3 all 'round, with 8" tires all 'round (instead of 10" in the back).
They're due tomorrow and I will post new width measurements when I get them on.
Ok...which name brand did you go with on the rims? I think it put mine at 52" width on the rear with the 4x3 offset and the 10" tires.
 

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4x3 all 'round, with 8" tires all 'round (instead of 10" in the back).
They're due tomorrow and I will post new width measurements when I get them on.
I hope you don't mind me asking....Why did you go with 8" on the rears? Thanks
 

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25x8x12 Bighorn on ITP SS312 Alloy Series Matte Black

I went with 8" to counter the extra width of the 4+3 offset wheels.
On my RZR S, when I went from 26x12x12 down to 26x9x12 in the rear, it made a huge difference in two areas:
1. I could fit the whole RZR into my truck bed (but not close the tailgate). With the 26x12x12s, I could not get the rear wheels into the bed.
2. It threw a LOT less mud up onto my left shoulder and leg.

The rear sidewalls are the widest part of the ACE, and they stick out past the fenders.
I'm hoping that 24x8x12 in the rear will stay mostly under the fender.

I tried to find wheels with 5+2 offset to match the stockers, but the only set RMATV had was way expensive.
Some other sites had text that talked about that size so they got hits on Google, but when I went there and started actually shopping, the only sizes they had in stock were 4+3.
 
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